From LASZLO_N1@sfov1.verifone.com Mon Mar 27 16:20:43 EST 1995 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:46:31 -1000 From: "Laszlo Nemes SMF1(916)823-0200" Subject: FYI: Vision Freedom Status: RO X-Status: Alex, Here is another 'natural vision improvemnt' advocate. The basic premise is to find the point where your vision just becomes blurry and to increase (or decrease) that distance (near/far sighted). To make this easier they use readily available + lenses to get the blur point within arms length. The main benefit of this (for me) is that I have a way to 'measure' my improvemnet that is more objective than, yes, I can see it better. They can be reached at: Vision Freedom 1665 Red Crow Road Victor, Montana 59875 1-800-422-7320 1-406-961-5570 You may wish to contact them and see if they are interested in being listed with I_SEE. I don't know why there is such resistance to natural vision improvement among the 'professionals'. They seem to readily believe that the eye can change to become more myopic but will then adamantly refuse to believe that it can be reversed. If other fields of medicine thought like this nothing could ever be cured only bolstered with ever increasing 'medication/treatment' until it  finally succumbed to its 'inevitable death'. Your prisoners-of-war eye improvement from deprivation of the eye glasses is well documented. Sailors (of yore) tended to have keener vision than average from sighting into the distance long hours. Bates cites many patients that had improved their vision. Many lay people have improved their vision, documented by their eye care (?) specialists. The Vision Freedom folks claim many happy customers, the founder developed it as he needed 20/20 to become an airline pilot, which he did become. I can understand the eye care profession being hesitant to advocate not wearing 'corrective lenses' from the fear of lawsuits. People get sued for brewing coffee nowadays. I think that before they will even attempt studies there will have to be some major changes in the way lawyers work. Until then we natural vision advocates are on our own. Laszlo ========================================================================= From owner-i_see@indiana.edu Tue Mar 28 22:23:31 EST 1995 From: Vic Cinc Subject: retrograde progress Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:19:00 +1000 (EST) Status: RO X-Status: Hi A common scenario: I do exercises, my vision improves. When I stoped and it got worse again. What went wrong? here is a little story. I was talking to a friend of mine about vision therapy and he told me this story about his grandfather. during the great depression my friends grandfather heard about the bates method. but couldnt find or afford the book. so he figured being an inteligent man he could figure it out for himself. here is what he did. he got a card with some typed letters on it. he held it out till he could just see it. and each day he tried to move it further out. over weeks and months his vision improved to the point he didnt need glasses. and to this day it has stayed that way. so here is a man armed with no knowledge about vision therapy. no special tools, no doctors, no books. just a belief and a single exercise. he got results and kept them. to answer the original scenario on a different level, every phenoma can have a plurality of causes. If you address the symptoms the causes may or may not go away. most likely they wont. If you address the causes the symptoms will go away. for some people just doing exercises is not enough there have to be changes at more then just the immediate physical level. It could be emotional, It could be structural, it could be spiritual, it could be as simple as a belief.... I have found each plateau of progress is accompanied with some sort of other changes. I found my first major change occured in conjunction with a renewed interest in the arts. Something I had negelected for over 10 years. I started drawing again, going to art galleries and generally really getting into the visual arts. Currently I am doing a meditation course and learning about buddhism, something I had an interest in almost 20 years ago, but got left behind over the years along with good vision. Vic ========================================================================= From owner-i_see@indiana.edu Wed May 10 00:30:06 EST 1995 From: Vic Cinc Subject: How long?? (fwd) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 15:25:13 +1000 (EST) Status: RO X-Status: >I read the Natural Vision FAQ yesterday, and have been doing the >exercises. I'm curious to know if this stuff really works, and how >long it takes to notice an improvement in eye sight. My contact >lenses have a power of -3.50. you can notice improvements straight away. permanent improvements take a while. Janet Goodrich took 30 months. the first types of improvements are based on better noticing what you see. the second is building/enhancing neurological pathways and eventually there will be permanent physiological changes. the first goal is to start getting clear flashes. ie crystal clear sight which at first may only last a few seconds. patience and perserverance are the key. once you start getting clear flashes you know its possible. turning VT into daily habbits that what will produce results. Vic ========================================================================= From owner-i_see@indiana.edu Wed May 10 01:36:51 EST 1995 From: Vic Cinc Subject: Re: How long?? (fwd) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:23:14 +1000 (EST) Status: RO X-Status: >On 10 May 95 at 15:25, Vic Cinc wrote: > >> the first types of improvements are based on better noticing >> what you see. > >What does this mean?? How do you notice things better when you can't >see them all too clearly in the first place. sorry. I will try to be more clear. its a perceptual thing. you dont actually realise what it is you see. your mind just labels it as blur, without trying to resolve anything in the blur. as soon as you start paying more attention to your visual input, you start to see things you have always seen but didnt realise you were seeing them. classic example is if you had astigamtism you might be seeing double images, but didnt realise this until either someone told you or you finally noticed what you see. double images generally looks like a mess, so the mind just labels is it as too hard, its a mess. you are making more sense of what the eyes display to the mind. clearer? >> the first goal is to start getting clear flashes. ie crystal >> clear sight which at first may only last a few seconds. > >I think I had one of these. This morning when I woke up, after my >eyes adjusted to the light, for a split second there, I could have >sworn that I was wearing my contacts. Everything was clear. Is this >possible after only doing the exercises for one day?? when you have one you know it. there is no doubt. split second confusion is possibly just a prelude to the real thing. I didnt have one for about a couple of months, and then it blew me away. (does this mean the same thing in the states? have to watch this trans pacific english) >Also, everyone I tell about this thinks I've totally turned into a >flake, because they think it's nonsense. Is there any truth to what >they are saying??? there is plenty of truth to it. refer them to Aldous Huxleys book, the art of seeing. while never having acheived permanent 20/20 he went from being virtually blind to being able to read without glasses. its an interesting story. most people fail to realise that vision is a dynamic process, your sight is rarely at the same level of accuity for long. most people see better in the morning and less well by later afternoon, whats changed? Vic ========================================================================= From owner-i_see@indiana.edu Sat Aug 19 15:26:25 EST 1995 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 13:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Roosen Subject: PCM and forthrightness Status: RO X-Status: I remain fascinated by Bates' discovery of the correlation between dishonesty and myopia. I am wondering if improving the vision through methods such as PCM also change the psychology of the individual? My question for those working with positive corneal moulding is, "Do you notice any improvement in honesty along with the improvement in vision?" Robert ========================================================================= From MBerezetsk@aol.com Sat Aug 19 19:13:39 EST 1995 From: MBerezetsk@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:08:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Clear flashes Status: RO X-Status: >Robert Roosen spake thusly: >I remain fascinated by Bates' discovery of the correlation between dishonesty and myopia. I am wondering if improving the vision through methods such as PCM also change the psychology of the individual? >My question for those working with positive corneal moulding is, "Do you notice any improvement in honesty along with the improvement in vision?" >Robert Bates equated lying and being lied to as possible myopia-promoting experiences. I think honesty may have as little or as much to do with it as any other personality trait or behavior or experience. I believe myopia (especially moderate/high myopia) is as little understood as once were all the diseases that masqueraded under the generic name of "fever" a couple of centuries ago. "Myopia" is about as precise a term as "insanity" would be precise in modern psychiatry, if it were the only term (and the only approach) they used for 20-odd different conditions. I do believe that personality traits have a lot to do with it. More than dishonesty (sorry -- can't relate), NON-CONFORMISM strikes me as the single most persistent trait in a (moderate/high?) myope's character. It may not manifest itself in behavior but it does a lot of manifestation in our thinking patterns and the way we perceive the world. I suspect the outwardly simple problem of myopia in anyone's life really stands for something HUGE. It has a lot to do with WHO we are -- and no simplistic approach can possibly give all the answers. I would imagine extensive studies in cognition and perception aimed at understanding myopia, plus a precise scientific picture of what REALLY takes place in the eye, would solve the mystery. Unfortunately, they've already invented glasses... no incentive to go into it... Elena ========================================================================= From owner-i_see@indiana.edu Sun Aug 20 15:28:13 EST 1995 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Roosen Subject: Causes for myopia Status: RO X-Status: Here is another thought. Does myopia correlate with shyness and/or=20 introversion? Being told to "shut up and sit down" during the formative= =20 years may lead to an introspective personality. Myopia may be in part=20 due to the attempt to turn the vision inward. Robert On Sun, 20 Aug 1995, Beyond=20 20/20 Vision wrote: > Elena spoke very bravely and clearly on August 19th, 1995: > >I suspect the outwardly simple problem of myopia in anyone's life really > >stands for something HUGE. It has a lot to do with WHO we are -- and no > >simplistic approach can possibly give all the answers. I would imagine > >extensive studies in cognition and perception aimed at understanding myo= pia, > >plus a precise scientific picture of what REALLY takes place in the eye, > >would solve the mystery. Unfortunately, they've already invented glass= es... > >no incentive to go into it... >=20 > Yes Elena, I have been looking at this question for the past 24 years in > clinical and research settings. I agree with you. MYopia is huge. *We don= 't > see with the eye, we see through it*, I have stated in my new book The > Power Behind Your Eyes, which wil be released in October, 1995. I have > thousands of case studies revealing that when the person faces their > internal myopia, the eye can be programmed by all the exercises. I believ= e > we should all realise that the exercises, whether they be from Bates, or > vision therapy, are simply tools for us to see clealry inside. >=20 > I don't believe that it is too late. We can reach all the individuals who > want to take charge of their lives by educating them about their choices, > strong glasses or a rehabilitative process. I am optimistic with endeavou= rs > such as this group making a big difference in the world. Cheers with clea= r > vision, Robert-Michael Kaplan. >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Beyond_20/20@sunshine.net >=20 > "Our commitment is to produce the highest quality vision fitness programs > for helping your eyes....naturally!" > ******A portion of Beyond 20/20 Vision profits are used to provide > full-spectrum lighting to children's classrooms in schools******** > -------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Snail Mail Beyond 20/20 Vision=81 > RR#5 Site 26, Comp. 39, > Gibsons, British Columbia. > V0N 1V0 Canada > Voice (604) 885-7118 > Fax (604) 885-0608 =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ========================================================================= From jonesm@swim5.eng.sematech.org Mon Aug 21 09:49:05 EST 1995 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:34:45 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: Clear flashes Status: RO X-Status: >From: MBerezetsk@aol.com >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:08:43 -0400 >I do believe that personality traits have a lot to do with it. More than >dishonesty (sorry -- can't relate), NON-CONFORMISM strikes me as the single >most persistent trait in a (moderate/high?) myope's character. It may not >manifest itself in behavior but it does a lot of manifestation in our >thinking patterns and the way we perceive the world. OK, I'm a high myope and a non-conforming thinker, perceiver, and be-er. A non-conformist is more likely to be attracted to healing one's vision natuarally, thus eliminating the dependency on the culturally sanctioned glasses. (Some non-conformists are angry or confused, however. Chronic anger would certainly degrade one's ability to see. Non-conformists are also sometimes excessively self-focused. Perhaps this, too, narrows the range of one's emotional/mental/visual acuity.) Mark ========================================================================= From owner-i_see@indiana.edu Sat Sep 30 13:59:08 EST 1995 From: Mark Goodes Subject: Bicycle ride on an Indian summer's day Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:34:34 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: Hi everybody, Today I rode my bike home from work on a bikepath that goes along the lake. It was a good day for looking around because there was a breeze at my back and I didn't have to pedal too much. There was lots to look at, too, from the sun glancing off the lake to the Canada geese on the grass to the downtown skyline off in the distance. My question is this: has anyone ever had the experience of being in beautiful scenery like this, in which you can see for a long distance, and felt like you were being in some way...fed? I wonder if, with my lifestyle of doing a great deal of close paper and computer work, my residence that is surrounded by trees and three-story buildings that block out the horizon, and my frequent subway travel, I'm somehow starving my eyes or my brain for the long distance looking that our ancestors were used to performing. Maybe there's a lot to be said for just going out somewhere where you can see a long way and feasting on the view. It seems to have psychological benefits, too. There's something peaceful about being able to take the long view: it makes you feel like there's more stability around you, and it's easier to be at peace. Comments? -- Mark Goodes (devo@io.org), Toronto, Canada High school teacher turning programmer Luvin' ma new Duo =========================================================================